Hardware :: SATA And PATA Devices In Same Desktop Tower?
Nov 1, 2010
My IBM IntelliStation M Pro desktop tower has IDE hardware: CD burner and CD player. My computer (which is ~ 6 years old I think) has an unused SATA power plug end and an unused SATA data transfer port so I thought I'd buy a SATA DVD burner/CD burner combo to replace the PATA CD burner. But I read the following line at Wikipedia and wonder exactly what it means:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA "Backward and forward compatibility- SATA and PATA At the device level, SATA and PATA (Parallel AT Attachment) devices remain completely incompatible�they cannot be interconnected......" What does that 'interconnected' really mean? Can I have my 2 IDE hard drives and my IDE CD player play nicely with a SATA DVD burner/CD combo burner? [My OS is MEPIS 8.5]
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Feb 2, 2011
openSUSE 11.3, 2.6.34.7-0.7-desktop, KDE 4.4.x, 3.0-P4, 2.5g mem. I replaced PATA-OEM optical drive with SATA-OEM works fine with all apps outside of and except with this widget. No problems until the swap. I have performed some updates and I have not put the PATA drive back in to see if the behavior changed because it was failing. It could be an update but the optical drive swap is my first suspect. This now. If I hover cursor over notifier widget icon "last plugged in device" will pop up with accurate last device until a click on the widget icon and selection of action for the recently plugged in device. Selected actions work fine ... once.
Then it no longer updates the new or retains the previous DVD/CD (or any USB external drive when connected) entry. Closing after viewing but with out selecting an action results in an empty list also. The menu remains empty there after and only removal of the widget and reinstall makes the devices appear again ... once. Then the behavior repeats if the widget is removed and reinstalled. I was wondering if this is likely to be a udev/rules.d problem related to the swap of the optical drives? The 70-persistant-cd.rules file shows two cd's after the swap:
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If I delete or rename the 70-persistant-cd.rules file in udev/rules.d will it truly be recreated at boot and might it this fix the issue? Should I look elsewhere first at some var logs for errors? Reinstall 11.3 and let auto detect and config sort it out is also and option but I'd rather not, heh.
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Sep 3, 2010
I am out of SATA headers on my motherboard. The only way I can free one up is by switching my SATA DVD ROM to a PATA. How much trouble with this create with software that is linked to the DVD ROM? Will openSUSE 11.3 handle this gracefully or will I just be creating problems?
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Oct 30, 2010
A friend wants to dump his Windows XP system so that I can install Ubuntu 10.04. His PC has a PATA CD R/W drive and a PATA DVD R/W drive on the only single channel. It has a SATA HDD. The PC BIOS will not allow me to change the order of drives to boot from, only shows the CD R/W drive first then the SATA HDD and will only boot from the HDD. I tried getting the PC to boot from the CD or DVD drive so that I could install Ubuntu from a live Ubuntu CD by disconnecting the power to the HDD, This did not work.
With a live Ubuntu flash drive connected the BIOS does not allow me to change the boot order to boot from the flash drive. I was able to boot from a live Ubuntu flash drive by disconnecting the HDD power. I then quickly hot plugged the power to the HDD so that the Ubuntu installation process could use it. But the installation of Ubuntu did not proceed, probably because it was too late to have the HDD recognised. I suspect that the jumper settings on the CD and DVD drive are such that they are unbootable.
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Apr 18, 2010
I'm currently running Karmic on a old Dell Pentium 4, and I am having trouble copying files to this box from my laptop which is running Linux Mint Helena. I am able to see and connect to the shared directory on the Dell, copy and execute files from there, but cannot write to it. The permissions have been set to 777 on the shared directory and sub directories within that. The older Dell has a PATA hard disk, 300gb, while my newer laptop has a SATA hard disk. I've read that this can be a problem, and permissions may not be recognized? I'm not able to connect to the laptop from the Dell, neither of the administrator logins work, though I maybe need to do this as root?
Here is the smb.conf file I am running on both machines:
I want to be able to write to my server, not just read and execute. I am also not able to write to the server when logged on to a windows machine on the same network.
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Jul 22, 2011
Anyone know if there is a way of detecting if a hard drive is 3.5/2.5 and ide/sata/pata from within a script?
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Sep 29, 2009
On an Asus P5Q motherboard, CentOS 5.3 x64. (Separate thread as the other one has turned into just a discussion on my lm_sensors issue). The motherboard's primary SATA controller is the Intel P45 chipset. 6 ports, set to AHCI in BIOS, and all works a charm. Attached are 6 x SATA drives (2 x OS, 3 x data RAID5, 1 x backup). There is also a Marvell chip that provides PATA and also an underlying SATA chip (2 ports) that can do what Asus call Drive Xpert (stripe or mirror RAID) or be set to just standard SATA ports.
It's a SIL5723 behind what CentOS sees as "03:00.0 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6121 SATA II Controller (rev b2)". Physically the Marvell has only a single optical drive attached to its PATA interface. CentOS has loaded marvell_pata (I assume for the PATA side of it) but I have no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd so no optical drive CentOS is trying to use 'ahci' for the Marvell's SATA ports. Dmesg tells me that when it 'sees' them as it boots:
scsi6 : ahci
scsi7 : ahci
scsi8 : ahci
ata7: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1024@0xfeaffc00 port 0xfeaffd00 irq 16
ata8: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1024@0xfeaffc00 port 0xfeaffd80 irq 16
ata9: DUMMY
It attempts to read SATA drives attached to it, but it just errors trying to access them on boot (e.g. "ata7: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 secs" etc). I need the extra SATA ports, and I could really do with having a usable CDROM drive. I found a driver for the Marvell 88SE6121 from Asus. But the latest driver in that is for what it calls "RHEL 50.2" and the script fails with a "Generic Protection Error". That driver looks for kernel "2.6.18-92.el5" in its base_ver variable in the script. Changing the base ver to -128 doesn't help. I have uploaded the driver for if [URL]. Is that modifiable to work on 5.3 / soon to be 5.4?
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May 20, 2010
I recognize the obvious need to back up the contents and follow a certain duty of care before attempting to clone my failing pata 250g HD to a 1 tera byte sata. What problems if any could come up when cloning from a failing pata to a sata HD? I'd like to make the switch to sata for many reasons if possible. It is indicated that the HP d530 sff here supports both types.
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May 18, 2010
Is there a tool for Ubuntu that will detect whether I have a SATA or a PATA hard drive interface, even if there's no hard drive inserted?
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Oct 20, 2010
I've been, for some years, an happy user of Highpoint HPT374 based RAID cards, using RAID 5 with decent performances (constantly around 90 MB/sec in read, and 60 MB/sec in write ). Old Athlon mobo , with 2.6.8 kernel. Now the mobo is dead, so I've got an Asrock A330GC (dual proc with 4giga ram), installed Debian with kernel 2.6.26 and moved the controller and disks , and the performances have dropped to a painful 9 MB/sec in write, measured with dd of a huge file (interrupted with kill -USR1 [pidof dd]).
Read performances are still around 90MB/sec, using hdparm -t , repeated many times , figures are constantly around 90MB/sec. I suspect some libata issue , in old kernel the raid was seen as hdb, now is sdb, some driver(s) of the PATA disks may be responsible. I've used the driver, from Highpoint v2.19 , the latest driver is broken (causes kernel oops during format of raid), I've informed Highpoint.
Here some info :
hdparm -i /dev/sdb :
HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: invalid argument .
lspci :
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub (rev 02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 01) .....
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Jan 26, 2010
I'm trying to move an existing FC10 install (created by someone else) from a 160GB WD1600AAJS SATA disk to a 160GB WD1600AAJB PATA disk (cursed trend of horizontally mounting SATA connectors at the end of the motherboard means the latest rev mobo doesn't fit in our enclosure!). I've used DD to copy the disk image from one to the other, but when attempting to boot, I get the following error:
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Unable to access resume device (UUID=946f216f-0c24-4b02-a996-f42059970de7)
mount: error mounting /dev/root on /sysroot as ext3: no such file or directory
That particular UUID maps to sda2, which is the swap partition. Interestingly, both the SATA and PATA disk come up as /dev/sda on the motherboard. I kind of grok that the UUIDs are substitutes for directly naming the disks, and that they're referred to in fstab, initrd-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686.img, and in /dev/disk/by-* I'm guessing the problem is that the GUIDs (at least the one for swap) are no longer the same. How are they assigned to the partitions during boot?
I tried doing
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swapoff -a
mkswap /dev/sda2
swapon -a
and put that new GUID in fstab and into initrd-* (using some steps I found elsewhere on how to gunzip/rezip it).At that point, I get a kernel panic on boot
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Kernel panic - not syncing: CFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
So I'm guessing that the other UUUDs have changed as well and I need to update them. How would I figure out what they are? I suppose I could change the references to /dev/sda*, but I didn't build this original image and I'm thinking whoever did had a good reason to go with UUIDs.
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My friend bought an old hard drive. He noticed something with the hard drive that it was just replaced with a SATA socket. So meaning, the SATA socket was soldered to the PATA hard disk to replace the PATA socket to SATA socket to make it a SATA.
Now the question is:
1. Does the Transfer Rate of the harddisk (that has been replaced from PATA socket to SATA socket) would be SATA transfer rate? OR would still be PATA transfer rate?
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Jan 3, 2011
I'm trying to setup Linux on my friend's system but none of my Live CDs (gparted, kubuntu) will detect the SATA HDD or SATA optical drive. I keep getting the error message "unable to find a medium containing a live file system". I can boot into gparted from a USB flashdrive but it will not recognize the SATA HDD or any of the partitions on it.
System info:
XFX GeForce 8200 (XFX MI-A78S-8209) motherboard
nvidia nforce 8200 chipset
Liteon ATAPI iHAS220 SATA optical drive
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Jun 11, 2009
I've been struggling a bit with install F11. F10 installs without issue. I have two internal SATA drives, a PATA DVD-ROM and a USB drive. The BIOS recognizes everything. However, when I got to the disk partition utility, Anaconda could never detect one of the SATA devices. I tried swapping cables, ports, etc. No luck. Today, I ran across this Bug thread: [URL] I checked the screens Ctrl-Alt-F1-6. Nothing obvious. But, for fun (from the bug thread) I went to the prompt on 2 and ran:
dmraid -r -E It found an "nvidia" RAID "thingy". Forgive my ignorance on what it really is called or what it does. Anyway, I answered yes to erase the "thingy" and voila. I was able to install F11. Not sure if I made a good title, but I've seen bits and pieces of people having similar problems with F11. And BTW, the drive that had "nvidia" on it was from a machine that was using nvidia hardware RAID 0 - but F10 had no problems with it.
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May 15, 2009
I have an issue with Hard Drives in GNU/Linux CentOS 5.3I installed linux 5.3 frash copy to new SATA MAXTOR 1000GB Hdd.And see the partitions is SATA MAXTOR 1000GB (NEW INSTALLATION CentOS 5.3)
/dev/sda1 Boot
/dev/sda3 /
(/dev/sda2 is the SWAP)
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Jul 14, 2009
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Aug 13, 2010
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May 1, 2011
I keep getting this error in my log viewer every 2 seconds: Code: ata4: limiting SATA link speed to 1.5 Gbps I have a dual boot SSD and I have run many SMART tests in windows and linux, (using smartmon tools and the disk utility) and the reports are all 100% healthy..... My research shows that this error represents one of the following:
1. Problem with SATA controller
2. Changing BIOS to allow SATA
3. Changing SATA mode to PATA or AHCI
4. Replacing the SATA cable
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I have 3 SATA drives and 1 PATA drive. If I run fdisk -l,
Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders, total 312581808 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
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