Software :: Firefox-all Mozilla Browsers Still Way Slower In Native Vs Wine And/or Windows?
Aug 28, 2010
Just read a post on this page (scroll down about half way) and it seems like all mozilla based browsers are still slower in linux vs wine and/or windows! [URL]...I thought after almost two years this would've been fixed (there's been earlier reports besides the link I gave above). Heck I thought it would be a problem with a specific version release and/or releases? I think this is a bit ridiculous after this long and I'm almost wondering if it's been around longer than 2 years when anyone even cared to take notice! Oh and did I already mention that compiling it doesn't make a difference? You probly knew that already. I'm running bleeding edge Gentoo with window maker (march=prescott sse sse2 sse3 mmx mmxext blah use flags and cflags) and Slackware 13.1 (alot of stuff compiled and/or recompiled from source-optimized with same flags as gentoo and even more flags (and less package features) when things are stable and ok. Yes compiling is pain on a overclocked Celeron D lol. Well not too painful
Thanks to google-chromium and/or chrome we don't have to worry about speed issues but come-on this is almost sick! Firefox windows via wine way faster than a native linux build? WTF... That's like almost embarrassing. Has anyone found anything to resolve this issue. Perhaps it's a simple yet overlooked setting that no one bothers with?
To that link above one of the posters mentioned it's the DNS cache setting that fixes the speed issue, but then others posted back saying it doesn't resolve this issue so obviously that's not the case. There's definately a flaw with the mozilla code under linux since even epiphany (which is very lightweight in comparison to regular firefox) suffers performance issues as well as others.
It's a bit upsetting I.M.O. (in my opinion! lolz) that this issue isn't resolved yet after all this time? I mean common. What about people who have no choice but to use Firefox. I have to use firefox by force when I play QuakeLive! (the plugin is not made for any other linux browser).
Even besides that point. Mozilla was made in the first place to be light weight, fast and secure vs internet explorer. It has severely changed since then (remember when it was the only tabbed browser available? It was sweet back then!). Now it just seems bloated and awful. Thankfully not terribly awful on Windows but compared to Google-Chrome (especially Safari which is MacOS only but still) it gets smoked in terms of speed, memory use and simplicity. At least not as bad as Internet Explorer (lol @ internet explorer. OMG the slowzyynessz and heeuuchggeneesszz).
So yeah being an open source browser and running terribly on an open source O.S. vs a closed source one. What's gonna' happen? Has this already been mentioned and fixed somewhere that I never looked or is it completely hopeless and just better not to use it for those of us that are bothered by it.
Debian lenny, old install (I've upgraded to lenny when it was just about to become the stable release), versus windows 7, fresh install.Comparing browsers speeds with numion.com/Stopwatch.html, I had results such as:Iceweasel (firefox) on linux: from 9.154 seconds to 21:860 seconds (the same webpage, reloaded)Firefox on windows: 4.32 seconds - and never much slower than thatThe fastest browser on linux was Opera, ranging from 8.562 to 5.503 secs to load the same page, but even internet explorer beat/match it with its timing of about five seconds.
I have not other browsers on windows; on linux there is aroraonqueror (KDE3), kazehakase, chrome, and dillo, besides text browsers. I didn't test on dillo; Kazehakase and chrome were the only ones which had nearly decent results, but still very bad, 11 to 13 seconds for chrome, and 21 for kazehakase. Konqueror just seemed to never finish to load the page, I gave up when it was still loading somethingfter nutes and 5 seconds.'ve emptied the cache every time I would test, and I was running almost only the browsers and not much else. Whatever comes by default on windows, and on linux, I was on openbox, with nothing much going on I guess, I think the most memory consuming processthe time, besides xorg and the browsers themselves, was dictd.
I've researched a little bit about, but not enough to make a list of possible things to change in order to improve the speed on linux. Most of the time there are people just agreeing that on windows the rendering is faster, and other people saying that with them is the opposite, with some minor variations like people saying that linux is faster for plain downloads while windows is faster for web browsing due to better graphics.
(by the way; I haven't installed any graphic card driver on windows, which is still running on 1024x768, while linux runs on 1280x1024, with the "nv" generic driver, without fancy options, not supported by my old card) The closest to a suggestion of possible solutions was someone saying tha compilation may affect performance, I guess it was both about kernel compilation, and the web browsers themselves.I'll google a bit more about how to "compile for speed", both kernels and programs (maybe the x server
Currently I am running Ubuntu 9.04 on my computer, and it is the only OS installed. I purchased the $30 student WIn7 Professional upgrade. I have a XP Pro CD + Key, and I plan on using that just to upgrade to Win7. I love Ubuntu and it is my primary OS, it is just that every now and then you come across some program that requires windows (Propellerhead Reason 4, Adobe Photoshop CS4, Atomix Virtual DJ etc.) and it requires full system resorces so you do not want to use wine. I love Linux, but somtimes I just have to use WIndows, so I do not want to hear any arguments about that.
I want to do a clean install of everything, and I have data + programs backed up, I would like to install Ubuntu 9.10, WinXP Pro and I want to Upgrade XP Pro to 7. I am completely new to GRUB 2, and upgrading windows; but I have experience with Linux and Windows, and dual booting. I would like to install Ubuntu 9.10 on its own partition (No WUBI), and WInXP + Win 7 on there own partitions (3 Partitions Overall). I would like to know what to do at this point, Should I install Ubuntu then Xp then 7, Xp then 7 then Ubuntu, etc. I know how to make Partitions, I just need to know the order in which I should install the operating systems, and how to get it to dual boot.
MY COMPUTER:
I had a Sony Vaio PCV-RS530G, and the mobo failed, so I rebuilt it, the case, processor, fans, CD/Floppy drives, TV tuner and power supply are unchanged, everyhing else has been replaced, here is the breakdown:
Proecessor: Intel Pentium 4 3.20 GHZ, HT Technology, No 64-Bit or VT-x Motherboard: Biostar P4M900-M4 Hard Disk Drive: Seagate 1TB SATA (IDE Mode, no RAID) Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce 8400 GS, PCI Express, 512 MB RAM RAM: 2 GB Corsair, DDR2-5300
1) How can I install all the screen savers that were in Jaunty, but are missing in karmic?
2) Can Win7 be installed without a key, and then have the key entered later (I AM NOT PIRATING, I JUST WANT TO PUT THE KEY IN AND ACTIVATE AFTER I CAN TEST OUT EVERYTHING AND MAKE SURE THAT WINDOWS AND UBUNTU ARE RUNNING SMOOTHLY)
3) Will XP mode in Win7 work on a processor without virtualization technology?
4) I have Icon sets, cursors, window borders, and panel backgrounds from different sources, can I export this as a complete theme in 1 file (Deb Packages are preferable, but even a tar-ball is fine) so I can install it easily on more machines, and share it with friends?
5) How do you use native windows DLLs in WINE?
6) My PC has a tv tuner, how do I use it in Ubuntu?
7) What is a good size for a swap partition for my computer (Detailed information below)?
I think I've found a problem in Firefox 3.5 in Fedora 11, don't know if this may be also the case for other distributions. So, the problem I currently have is that other user accounts on the system cannot access correctly the fonts from Mozilla based browsers (Firefox, Epiphany, Galeon, SeaMonkey), the problem is that at many websites the browser simply won't display any fonts at all, all the text is "blank", it IS there, but as if the characters were transparent, they aren't drawn. Besides this problem, Firefox (or Epiphany, or any of the others) will eat up as much as 80% of all the RAM (and in this 4Gb setup, that is simply too much for the browser alone!), not to mention that performance is awefully degraded while the HDD is spinning like mad and the browser is loading whatever it may be.
However, my primary account is unaffected (reason why I thought it may be related to privileges). I need this system to be multiuser. Looking around I don't seem to see any signs of this issue, I have no idea why is this the case. The only way to get the other browsers to display any fonts at all is to force the desired fonts to use (not allowing the websites to be viewed as intended by the authors).
Any hints as to why is this so? BTW, in the main account I have the option for the websites to choose the font enabled, and no font drawing problems whatsoever.
Is it possible to run Windows Firefox plugins/addons under Wine while the browser itself is the native Linux Firefox? For example; I am considering taking the introduction to Linux Open University course, but the course requirements state the need to use Shockwave Player. Obviously Shockwave Player is not available for Linux but it is (allegedly) possible to run both the Windows version of Firefox and Shockwave Player under Wine. I would prefer to run the Linux version of Firefox natively with only the Windows version of Shockwave Player using Wine.
Is there some method to achieve this ? Maybe there is some kind of wrapper application, something like the one used for Windows wireless networking drivers (NDISWrapper) or maybe there are instructions on how to embed the Shockwave Player using Wine in Firefox somewhere. Obviously my needs are quite specific but I am sure that being able to use Windows browser plugins/addons under the Linux version of Firefox would be of interest to at least a few other people.
Since I have upgraded to KDE 4.5 I can't play games (native or wine) without disabling composite before start playing.When I start a game its window begins to shiver (to tremble or to shake... not sure) and so I have to disable composite first and then relaunch the game.I never had to do this in KDE 4.4.
I'm running WoW in Ubuntu 9.10 with wine. My screen's native resolution is 1920x1200. When I play WoW in Windows I set it to 1920x1080 in fullscreen because that aspect ratio allows me to see more of the playing field. In windows it doesn't stretch the screen so I have a black bar at the top and bottom of my screen.
When I set it to 1920x1080 under wine, it stretches my screen. Is there any way I can make it not stretch?
I tried searching forums/google but I couldn't find anything related to my question.
ANyone here tried firefox 3.7a5 and/or 4beta? I'd be interested in finding out everyone's experience because I found that when I ran the below web test, 3.7 got 60fps and 4b got about 22 fps! Flying Images You can find 4 here: Index of /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk And 3.7 here: Index of /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/3.7a5-candidates/build1
I'm having trouble streaming vids now though, they are choppier than they were and when I navigate away, the sound stays on as if the video were still playing, I have to restart to make it stop. How would I go about un-doing the above?
Just installed the latest 11.04 64bit ubuntu, using std cd install alongside windows7, ticking the "add all extras" option, to ensure I got all the latest drivers etc.. The pc is brand new
Acer emachines E644 - AMD 2 Core C-50 3Gb DDR3 mem 500 Gb hard drive
Pre-installed: 64bit Win 7 home premium I've literally changed nothing in win7 other than using wubi to install ubuntu 1st time around (ubuntu appears as a win program - and was un-installed as such). Note: It is too late to now check, but......... under wubi/win7 I had no sense that the browser firefox was running slow - i didn't do a speedtest.net cos of other priorities (and it seemed fine). On advice, I started again (new partitions etc). The Problem: Ubuntu is now 25% slower (broadband) than Win7! Actually, it feels worse than that - more like it was on my previous lap top that had 512Mb ram running xp. Here are the results after switching os's a couple of times.
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Firefox managed one spurious result of 5.89, but the graph (on the speedtest display) was absolutely all over the shop (like it's overall results). Compare that to iExplorer - total stability, and in fact, more like 30% faster + a much better ping. Anyway, I guess you know all this, I've seen that plenty of others have noticed this speed drop in the past, so:
I've been trying to make Linux my only OS and have run into another snag - this time with Firefox. I realize I could try Opera or Chrome but for this thread I'm concerned with Firefox.I still dual-boot and while I've always notice that Firefox doesn't scroll as smoothly as it does in Vista, this latest issue is a concern:
I'm on the BOD for a different club forum (hobby) and need to print a list of the new registrants for various reasons. Firefox initially presents the list in portrait mode but I need it to be in landscape. Generating the initial "print preview" then changing the "print preview" from portrait to landscape takes substantially longer than in Vista on the same box...it's 30-40 seconds in Vista and nearly 2 minutes in Linux - that's a huge difference!!
As I mentioned it's a dual boot so the hardware is the same and it shouldn't involve the HPLIP service as it's a preview.I don't know if this is an openSuse issue, Kernel issue or something else.
I run Ubuntu with two screens. When I'm playing a Windows game through WINE, I enable "Emulate a virtual desktop" for that game and set the desktop size to that of one monitor. With this setup, I can Alt-Tab and switch between Compiz desktops while still running the game in full screen. However, I also play some native games (Sauerbraten and Tremulous in particular). To play them full screen, I have to disable one monitor, as it's hard to hit your target when they're split across two monitors. I also cannot reliably use Alt-Tab and desktop switching when a native game is in full screen mode. Is there an program that can "wrap" full screen native applications in a window of a set size like WINE's virtual desktop does for Windows applications?
so I'm trying to run an extension for firefox that is no longer handled with firefox 4.0+. I've googled that you can run two different versions of firefox on the same system, but you have to have them set up as two different profiles. Basically having the two different browsers set up in two different locations running there own things from different files, etc.
How can I go about setting up an older version of firefox in a different location, instead of just running the setup in general which would conflict with my newer version?
I know it can be done, but a simple sudo apt-get install firefox (version x.x) will basically override my newer version I would imagine. I've already found where to get the older versions file and everything, I just don't want to mess up my new version
Can someone please help me as to how to install this in another location not affecting my current version? I also understand that I will have to have another command to run this older version, so maybe if you could shed some light on how to set up the new command also,
I'm using Ubuntu 11.04. What command can I run that will shut down all Firefox instances?Here's what I get when I scan for processes with "firefox" included in them
I'm fairly new to Linux and everything and still doesn't understand a lot of things about it. But as most of you may know that ..... is probably going to switch to HTML5 (so I heard) and I can not get Firefox to work with it. It is really annoying and I have flash player working but some videos require HTML5.
I uninstall unwittingly firefox from my ubuntu , i want to get it back . i download the package from mozilla site and i want to install it from the package i already download it , when i click on file named by firefox in that downloaded folder , i find that it open firefox as if i already installed it when i click to choose run in terminal
I am using centOS4-64 bit.When i play flash videos in browser,i don't get any sound however there is no problem when i use vlc for playing other stuffs. the required pluggins and their location.
After taking a first look onto internet under Fedora linux (using Firefox web browser) I've saw that every single image is displayer much much worse than in same Firefox under Windows. Especially when scaling, it became pixelized, but even without scaling it is smoothen very much. I've checked Konqueror but quality is bad too and the same as in Firefox. What could be the reason and how could I fix it?
BTW, everything in linux GUI looks a little worse, including font, etc, looks smooth. Images under IrfanView too, but not as bad as in browsers. Proprietary Nvidia driver from RPMfusion is installed and 3D works. But running Fedora under VirtualBox in Windows produce same bad quality as in native Fedora.
i have a problem with firefox not starting properly, it not just that i installed chrome a few weeks ago this does the same. so i try install all the browsers i know there all the same, they just flash up then disappear
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...leases-firefoxYawn, didn't they just release FF5 a few days ago? Yes, I know when it was released, just being sarcastic!
This may (or may not) duplicate yester64's post but I'm trying to learn html and I've been going crazy with the <basefont /> tag. KompoZer, Opera, and Firefox all ignore it. However, any <font /> tag I use works with no problems What's really maddening is that I copied the file to the windows side and IE works wonderfully with the same file although Firefox still ignores it! I keep windows around for One and only one program - tomtom. I would cry at mozilla except that the same problem is occuring in those other non-mozilla programs.
how to install firefox 3.6 on my 9.1 ubuntu. About adding various repository and the a sudo apt get and all that. I can do it that way, and I am sure it will work.
What stop me to just download the .deb package from mozilla for the version I want and install it? Will it be less integrated to the system, will it not be compatible with my 64bit ubuntu? I just find it so much simpler to download a package from the web and double click on it than going through terminal, yet no-one seems to propose this option.
I just got Ubuntu installed and I cannot view video from any webpage. I have adobe downloaded and active, I even downloaded google chrome, I have all popupblockers turned off and still nothing.
I installed Ubuntu 10.04. Prior to this I had been using Ubuntu 9.10. In 10.04 I am just unable to connect to the net using Mozilla FireFox. But otherwise, Update Manager, Google Chromium are all connecting smoothly. Which implies that there is nothing wrong with my internet connection. So now that this is a Mozilla FireFox problem.
I would like to report an issue regarding Mozilla Firefox in ubuntu 10.10. Continuously, a slow performance is experienced whenever I am trying to browse through the web. It takes about 20 sec to load a page. This issue was always existed in my system even when I was using the previous version of Ubuntu, 10.04. Is there any solution about it?
first of all I need to know how to install Mozilla Firefox from the browser. It should be easy, but it has this weird tar.bz thing. Why can't Mozilla be normal? It is extremely hard to get the latest builds. I don't even know what I had to wrestle through to get to 4.0.1, which is what I am on now. Tell me the super easy way. Mozilla is awful. Also, how can I get the new beta and aurora channel switcher? I believe I can only get it if I update to a newer version which is what I am trying to do now. It says to go to about and then click "change" which is not there. So Linux really shouldn't be this complicated and frustrating.
