Fedora Hardware :: Power Management On F15 - Poor Battery Life
Jun 2, 2011
I just upgraded to f15 x86_64. I use a VPCCEB3Z1E vaio laptop and I noticed that my laptop can't last more than half past an hour running from battery in wireless productivity (just surfing the net and make some word processing, so nothing so heavy...) I use kde 4, installed cpupowerutils (replacement for cpufrequtils), put the modules acpi_cpufreq, cpufreq-ondemand -powersave and the other governors in /etc/rc.d/rc.local for loading them at boot. Edited profiles in powerdevil (every profile has cpupowerutils freq-set -g and the name of a governor) but i still notice no changes. How I can get a better power management on this laptop? Fan still runs at high speed.
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Apr 20, 2010
So I've come across several tips to optimize battery life on Linux. [URLs]. In addition to undervolting, I would like to underclock. Is there a way to control CPU speed outside of the BIOS via some software control in Linux... or some sort of boot manager? I would like to boot to linux using underclocked speeds and have Windows running full blast. Is there a way to run Linux completely in RAM? I have read that saves on power consumption from the hard drive.
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Jul 17, 2011
I am running 10.04 on an Acer Aspire One
Since my upgrade from Lucid my battery icon displays permanent full charge even when running without AC power. When the battery runs out, this leads to an immediate violent shut down, everything dies at once.
My power management settings for running on battery are as follows;
1 hour
Blank Screen
Hibernate
Yes
10 MIns
Yes
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May 2, 2010
I am having several problems with what i believe to be gnome-power-management. Power management will randomly say that either i do, or don't have a battery. This means that the icon in the notification area does not appear, and I can not access the settings for on battery power. also, when i tell Ubuntu to suspend, it just goes to the screensaver and nothing happens. conky is still able to read the battery just fine, its power management thats having problems.
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Jan 8, 2010
I've just installed Ubuntu 9.10 on an old PowerBook G4 I have, and when I go to Power Management, it doesn't provide the tab for battery-related settings (nor do I get the little battery/charge icon in the upper-right panel). I'm comparing this to the version of Ubuntu 9.10 I installed on my EeePC netbook, where those things are present. Is there anything I can do to get the Power Management preferences to recognize that the machine has a battery?
If it helps: the PowerBook had Ubuntu installed on it using the 9.10 "alternate" .iso, as I was having trouble burning the "desktop" .iso to a CD.
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Mar 2, 2010
getting back to our laptop, the stability window is ~3.2V. Meaning that when you operate the battery above this the electrolyte is oxidized on the positive electrode and reduced on the negative electrode. Remember that we only want to oxidize and reduce the active materials and don't want to do anything else. All these reactions other than the ones we want are called side reactions and these are really bad for the battery. The nominal voltage of a laptop battery is 3.7 V which means that something bad wants to happen as we use the battery.So long story short, stuff (e.g., passive layers and poor kinetics of reactions) happens and things are not as bad as they seem and you can increase the voltage up to 4.2V without bad things really happening. All chargers for Li-ion cells today cut the battery off when it reaches 4.2V. What you have to realize is that at 4.2V, these side reactions are present in finite amounts and start to chemically kill the battery, but its not that dramatic.
Operating to 4.1V makes things better and extends the life, 4.0 V is even better and so on. So why don't battery manufacturers cut the voltage off at, say, 4 V to get better battery life? Because every time you cut this voltage down you decrease the capacity of the battery and its run time. The 4.2V cutoff is a compromise between good run time and decent (read "not pathetic) life.On the other hand, if you charge the battery and then pull the plug (so to speak), the battery discharges some, the voltage drops, and these reactions become less of a problem and your battery life goes up. So the best things you can do is to charge the laptop (or cell phone, camera etc.) and once its charged, pull the plug. Your battery will thank you for it.As a matter of fact, if you own a Lenovo Thinkpad, you can actually change the state of charge to which you charge the battery using the Battery Maintenance utility. You can change this from charging to 100% state (where the voltage is 4.2V) to 90% so that your voltage is less. You lose some energy is doing that, but atleast you can change it to 100% when you need battery power and put it back down to 90% when you can plug in. I wish my Mac has the same feature.
I typically use the battery for a while (say 1/2 hour to 1 hour), then plug it in and wait to fully charge it, then I pull the plug and use it again for 1/2 hour to 1h and then I repeat this. Takes some getting used to and I forget to do this, but I try.
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Dec 31, 2009
This link, acpi: thermal/sysfs-api, explains how the new thermal management sysfs class is built, but doesn't give much information about using it. Using watch, I can see that the cur_state of cooling_device2 changes from 0 to 5 when I check "Dim display when idle" in Power Management Preferences. But I haven't found an applet that changes cooling_device0 or cooling_device1.
Echoing different integers to the cur_state files limits the maximum cpu frequency for cpu0 and cpu1, respectively. This behaviour is expected from what I've read, and mimics the options in Windows power manager for extending battery life by throttling the CPUs. I've had no luck with google and local man pages, so has anybody has seen an applet for controlling /sys/class/thermal/cooling_device[0|1]/cur_state?
On a side note, a value of 1 does slow the CPU down, but it will still hit 100C (normal for an Intel mobile duo core). However, values of 2 and larger throttle enough to lower the maximum CPU temp. Since the CPU temp is a good indicator of power consumption, it's pretty obvious that these two cur_state files are intended to extend battery life. dd_wizard
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Aug 31, 2010
I have a 3 year old laptop with the original battery and its drained pretty bad. The "Battery may be broken" popup was driving me insane and this is how you disable it, in case you are in the same situation as me. Open terminal
Code:
gconf-editor
Drill down to...
apps --> gnome-power-manager --> notify
uncheck the low_capacity checkbox. This should disable the popup for you if your battery has little life left in it. Now, if any knows how to disable the Avahi popup, let me know.
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Jun 30, 2011
So I just installed F15 and I really like it. I had to upgradde to kernel version 2.6.39.1 to get my wireless from disconnecting -- aparentlyey it is a bug in kernels 2.6.38.x .Now my problem, and it was also a problem with kernel 2.6.38.x, is that my battery life on my netbook (gateway LT2320, atom n450 @1.6, gma 3150, 1gb ram, 1024x600) is cut by half. I used to get 7-8 hours of battery life, with Crunchbang, Ubuntu, etc., but now i get 4.5 hours.I have read that this is a problem with the current kernels available after 2.6.37.x.
My question is have they found a fix? Are we going to have to wait for 2.6.31? How much longer until that kernel is in the fedora repositories?
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Jan 7, 2011
Does Windows 7 get better battery life compared to Fedora. I'm about to purchase a t410s, and from reviews it's battery life is quite low. I don't want to run Fedora if it's going to eat even more battery life.I know Linux tends to run hotter and have about 30 mins less battery life. This was the case about a year ago, does this still hold true for Fedora today or has Linux finally overcome Windows?
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Mar 28, 2011
I'm running Windows 7 Enterprise and noticed something new. The system icon for battery life is showing "plugged in, not charging." Does this oddity occur in Fedora too?
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Feb 23, 2010
Is Ubunutu better than Windows 7 for general battery life?
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May 12, 2010
So, I never got great battery life with 9.04 or 9.10, but it was acceptable. Here's the thing, with Windows 7 I can get about two hours. With Ubuntu I'm lucky if I get an hour, and I mean really lucky. I have selected to dim the brightness and to spin down the HDD when possible, it hasn't helped a whole lot. What I don't see is an option to underclock the CPU, which is done rather easily in Kubuntu.
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Apr 30, 2010
Installed Lucid netbook-remix on my Aspire One with SSD and 3 cell battery last night. Under 9.10 I got 2hr 15mins with wifi and up to 3hr without wifi. This morning on the train to work I booted the new release only to find that without wifi I'm now getting only 1hr 20mins battery life (fully charged battery). I have the brightness turned down low to try and save a little power but it makes no difference. What can I do. As this is a netbook-remix release having just over an hour of battery life is plain awful and impractical.Any suggestions to increase battery life?
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Feb 24, 2011
So I've been using Ubuntu on a Toshiba L645d, and after a few hiccups with the sound and wireless, it's finally working well now. However, the battery is still a bit less when compared to Windows 7 (2:00 vs 2:35, but it came with optimizations on W7 so that might be the reason. A comparison of power used: 25w of power on Ubuntu vs 17.5 on W7.
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Mar 3, 2011
I've used an older version of ubuntu before, when it was brown and orange. I ran it off of a 8 gb solid state express card. Used it for about a month, didn't like it because I didn't know how to install anything and because it was slow (because ran off of a express card). Now, I'm looking to try ubuntu 10.10 on a partition of a main hard drive, specifically on the chrome os laptop when it comes out.
Now, I've read up that the battery life for ubuntu is mysteriously worse than on what would run a mac or a windows. This battery life issue is driving me away from ubuntu. How much battery life would I actually get for ubuntu if my battery life lasts 4 hours running a windows 7? And how much hard drive space do I need to partition to install ubuntu?
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Nov 14, 2010
I've been using Ubuntu for the past four years, but I recently bought a Dell Mini 1012, and while Ubuntu 10.04 is wonderful in every way, it is giving me quite poor results in terms of battery life, compared to Windows 7 which is also installed on the device. I have been able to get 4.5 hours out of Ubuntu,compared to the 8 hours I have been able to get with Windows 7 Starter. I have tried everything suggested here in order to get better battery life out of Ubuntu, but without success.I'm wondering if I might have better success with another distribution.Are there any Linux distributions available that can claim longer battery life than others, on netbooks and in general? This question can be answered objectively if it is backed up with hard data from based on benchmarks,
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Apr 1, 2010
I have a Samsung R510 laptop, with a short-life battery (holds up to 1.5 hours) Is there any way to make my laptop work longer by using some tweaks? Maybe it is possible to change the CPU according to the load?
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Jan 8, 2011
I bought a dell mini 10v last spring and I have always gotten around 2-2.5 hrs max battery life. Is that all this 3-cell can pull off?
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Feb 4, 2011
I currently use windows 7 on my laptop which gives me on average on 2 hours of battery life. If replace windows with ubuntu, would it allow more battery life time? I am a student, and I always have battery life issue when I work at uni.
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Jul 6, 2011
i recently purchased my second laptop, primarily for linux. When i chose it, my main concern was battery life. Just to make a side note. When i say battery life, i mean how long the computer takes until the battery goes flat. Not how many years/ect it takes till the battery will no longer hold charge.
My new computer claims to be able to get 10 hours. Although it's a bit off, i get a satisfying little bit over 6 hours, from full charge. This is running Windows 7. I couldn't wait to put Linux on my new computer, i have, but it just isn't satisfying because i only get about 4 hours while running linux, tried three different distros, and all roughly the same.
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Mar 18, 2010
I am using Fedora 12. Prior to this I was using Ubuntu 9.10. In Fedora 12, I am facing a problem with battery power. Sometimes when it is fully charged I remove the power cord, battery power comes down to 40%-41%. It never happened with Ubuntu, which gave quite a good battery performance. My question is when it is showing Laptop Battery 100% i.e. fully charged, if I remove the cord why it comes down to 40%-41% (and always in this range).
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Mar 3, 2010
I've decided to format my netbook entirely and just run NBR. I still need a windows install because a lot of stuff still doesn't work correctly in wine.
will running a virtual windows install kill mu netbooks battery life quickly or is it the same as running any other program? also what's a good virtual OS program? I think the only one I know of it vmware or something?
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Jun 16, 2010
My battery life in Ubuntu is much less than that of Windows 7. I am trying to find ways to improve my battery life in Ubuntu. One thing that I notice is that my CPU (Intel Core i7 on a Lenovo Thinkpad W510) always runs at 55 degrees Celsius or even higher. my GPU right now reads 51. Seems pretty toasty to me, but not too over the top. Is it abnormal to have this as an average temperature? (since writing, it has risen to 57. I am on AC power, listening to music with Rhythmbox and browsing the web in Google Chrome.)
My cpu mode is set to 'ondemand', and I think this is a good option to balance power and speed. I am wondering if there is a similar function for the gpu. In my Nvidia settings my "PowerMizer" preferred mode is set to adaptive. Is that essentially all the improvement I'm going to get? In windows it seems like the amount of heat coming from the fan corresponds to running cpu/gpu intensive programs. When I'm not doing much, the exhaust is not as hot. In Ubuntu 10.04, the stream of heat is relatively constant. It does increase with more use, but it seems that the base temperature is higher.
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Jul 11, 2011
based distros but never tried it in others. I am wondering if I can complete this guide in Fedora 15. In order for Linux to be my primary OS (Which I'd really like it to be) I need to be able to see how much battery power I have. If all the packages are available how I can download them and what not so that I can get my battery power back up.
Here it is: [URL]
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Dec 19, 2009
it doesn't do anything critically wrong.it shuts down, starts up, suspends, restarts, etc, rather well.only thing is that, altho' I set the settings to never hibernate and to never put the display to sleep, it does. I't's annoying, since I can't whatch a movie in peace, for instance.
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Apr 19, 2010
When I change the "Put display to sleep when in active for" it seems to make no difference. The screen goes to sleep when it wants. Some times in the middle of watching a dvd (after about 10 mins when it is set to 1 hour).Could this be done by terminal, perhaps there is a problem between entering in the GUI and actually telling the machine.
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Jul 9, 2010
I installed Fedora 13 (KDE) version: Linux version 2.6.33.5-124.fc13.i686.PAE latptop: toshiba satellite C650 - intel core i3 I have few problem, one of them is the power management it seems the power management can't see the battery therefore not battery status. power profile isn;t working. after shutting down the system, the computer stays on (screen, hdd ..etc) until I press the "turn on button". also I cant change the screen brightness using power management..its fixed.I dont know whats the problem and i dont know how to fix it.
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May 28, 2011
I just did an upgrade from F13 to F14.[*] Now, power management (in Gnome) does not work any more. For example, when pressing the power button, there is just a 'Cancel' button (no button for shut down, suspend, hibernate), in Gnome menu there is no possibility to shut down, and in 'gnome-power-preferences' most options do not work at all. For example, there is no other option than 'Blank screen' for 'When laptop lid is closed' action. When starting 'gnome-power-preferences' with '--verbose' parameter, I get following error messages:
Code:
Cannot add option, as cannot suspend.
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[code]....
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Mar 29, 2010
How to disable the power management in fedora 12, so that lcd/monitor should not go to sleep/off when system is idle?
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